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Alltag eines Fotoproduzenten
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Alltag eines Fotoproduzenten is a personal blog at alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de about ai and culture. Since 2023, 4 different Hacker News readers have linked it 5 times. It is still writing: the last post was on 2026-10-28, and you can follow it by feed.
Too few sampled comments (4) to say how often HN recommends it.?
Why HN links it
A German photographer's blog documenting his dispute with LAION over AI training on his photos, including his demand letters and the invoice for legal costs. Commenters cite it as the source.
Summarised by Claude from a sample of 4 HN comments that link here. Each comment is marked recommending, critical or neutral (citing without judging); how this works.
Most-linked posts?
- /2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2023-04-25
- /2023/04/24/laion-e-v-macht-ernst-schadensersatzforderung-an-urheber-fuer-ki-trainingsdaten/2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2023-04-25
What Hacker News says?
Both lawyers and the photographer are not looking great, but the legal questions seem much harder to answer than it might appear at first. Keep in mind that German copyright law is quite different from its British or American equivalent. Also, IANAL. If I understand it correctly: 0. Laion uses WAT-files from Common Crawl to generate a list of suitable image-text pairs, including a URL to the raw image. [0] 1. Laion…
Comment linking /2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/
on “AI used photographer’s photos for training, then slapped him with an invoice”Here is the original post by the photographer in German: https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/04/24/laion-e... He sent an initial demand that LAION declined. He did not want to give up, then he made his lawyer send a letter, then LAION paid a lawyer to answer, and the invoice is for the cost of the lawyer. What I find interesting is that the photographer admits in the comments that he sells thousands of AI…
Comment linking /2023/04/24/laion-e-v-macht-ernst-schadensersatzforderung-an-urheber-fuer-ki-trainingsdaten/
on “AI used photographer’s photos for training, then slapped him with an invoice”You can read here(in german): https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/02/20/laion-v... that the non-profit LAION is going as far as intimidating the creators of the images they used. They don't publish the image, yes, and that is also their reasoning. However, in my opinion, the intention behind all of this seems obvious. They circumvent copyright claims by being a non-profit and not publishing, but with the…
Comment linking /2023/02/20/laion-verein-droht-urhebern-die-ihre-daten-aus-ki-trainingssatz-nehmen-wollen-mit-schadensersatzanspruechen/
on “The Future of AI Relies on a High School Teacher’s Free Database”Well, at least one content producer is pissed about it. Sorry, only in German: https://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2023/04/24/laion-e... And translated via Google translate: https://www-alltageinesfotoproduzenten-de.translate.goog/202...
Comment linking /2023/04/24/laion-e-v-macht-ernst-schadensersatzforderung-an-urheber-fuer-ki-trainingsdaten/
on “The Future of AI Relies on a High School Teacher’s Free Database”