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butyoureagirl.com is a personal blog at butyoureagirl.com about culture and career. Since 2009, 26 different Hacker News readers have linked it 31 times, most often “Forking and Dongle Jokes Don't Belong At Tech Conferences”. No feed was found, so read it on the site itself.
Too few sampled comments (17) to say how often HN recommends it.?
Why HN links it
Adria Richards' personal blog, where she wrote about the 2013 PyCon incident and her own experiences. HN commenters cite it as her primary first-hand account of events.
Summarised by Claude from a sample of 17 HN comments that link here. Each comment is marked recommending, critical or neutral (citing without judging); how this works.
Most-linked posts?
- Forking and Dongle Jokes Don't Belong At Tech Conferences14 people · 16 mentions · first linked 2013-03-19
- Success Against The Odds: Filling My Technology Knapsack From Scratch4 people · 4 mentions · first linked 2013-02-06
- /2013/03/18/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2015-03-08
- How an IT consultant stumbled on Sen. Norm Coleman's donor database legitimately2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2009-01-29
- "Big dongle" offended girl's site DDoSed2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2013-03-21
What Hacker News says?
> Since when is Twitter the same thing as a professional conference? First, she mentioned PyCon in that Twitter conversation[1]. If she had hashtagged it, there would be a stronger argument, but either way we might say she's having an "inappropriate conversation" in the "vicinity" of the conference. People searching about conference might see this, just like people at the conference might have heard the same inappro…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Submitted Forking and Dongle Jokes Don't Belong At Tech Conferences as a story · 68 points
HN discussionAnd a lot of things that should in the abstract be harmless are not in reality. And yet, that's an abstract statement in itself. In reality, was this harmful? More specifically, was "the future of programming was on the line"? Were the comments "crushing a little kid’s dream"?[1] Adria, PyCon, and the man's employer can draw their lines where they like, and take the actions that they see fit, but there is no reason…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Submitted Success Against The Odds: Filling My Technology Knapsack From Scratch as a story · 13 points
HN discussionThis was a private conversation between two friends, none of whom referenced her or even knew she was listening. Are you sure? How do you know? If my reading of her article is correct, and she was telling the truth, then she did not think so. That does not mean that she was correct. And with a he said, she said situation there is no chance of sorting things out. But your unsupported assertion of fact is not necessar…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Submitted "Big dongle" offended girl's site DDoSed as a story · 1 points
HN discussionWhile incidents like this are common at Ruby conferences, this is actually exceedingly rare to see within the Python community. The Python community is generally much more like the C++, Java and .NET communities, where professionalism and a lack of drama are the norm. My suspicion is that at least some of the people involved here may not really be part of the Python community in any sense, but were merely just atten…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Submitted How an IT consultant stumbled on Sen. Norm Coleman's donor database legitimately as a story · 1 points
HN discussionDid she? I just read the entire post, and I disagree. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... It certainly exists within the context of gender issues at a tech conference, but she didn't even go so far as to label the jokes sexist -- just something that would make some women uncomfortable. (Which is obviously true, given her response!)
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on “The PyCon Incident”It's worth reading the original blogpost: http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... I hope this developer will be able to find another job. But consider that conference rooms are different. You can't make a joke about fire or a bomb there without potentially threatening public safety. By a similar logic, if you say things which negatively affect my state of being in the conference, then you are…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Based on just this pastebin, I'd be inclined toward crucifying her. However, after reading her longer blog post ( http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... ), it seems pretty clear that the guys were in the wrong for a professional setting (as were several others at the conference). Ideally, another person who was less personally offended would have said something (such as a coworker -- if I he…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Maybe its my social group but something like that would even cause any of us (more women in tech) to even bat an eye. My sense is that she herself didn't bat much of an eye until she decided that it was a problem. If you read her account, she acted in order to protect a photograph: I saw a photo on main stage of a little girl who had been in the Young Coders workshop. I realized I had to do something or she would ne…
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on “The PyCon Incident”This write up is ridiculously biased. If you read Adria's write up, which includes the photo, you can see that there's absolutely nothing private about the conversation. Look at the photos in http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... You can see that the two guys are in very crowded presentation room surrounded by other people. Their conversation, unless whispered, would be clearly audible by m…
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on “The PyCon Incident”It went further than that, though. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont...
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on “The PyCon Incident”From Adria's post: http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... I stood up slowly, turned around and took three, clear photos. I said back down, did another gut check and started composing a tweet. Three things came to me: act, speak and confront in the moment. I decided to do things differently this time and didn’t say anything to them directly. The true "forking" meaning was described in the HN…
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on “The PyCon Incident”Well, mr-hank said it had something to do with "a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male", and Adria corroborates that less specifically with it being a joke about a "big" dongle. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... However, if that description isn't enough (it is for me), I'd much rather accept Adria's oversen…
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on “Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost”"Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something that matches, I can overreact and feel intense fear, anger or anxiety. This is something I’ve worked on a lot. It’s much better now than 10 years ago but there are some things that send me over the edge." http://bu…
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on “Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost”An established pattern of action, indeed! That Adria would object publicly[1] to a fun little talk by Danielle Morrill on Getting the Money Shot[2] is what we need to know to understand this case. [1] http://butyoureagirl.com/5004/wordcamp-boston%E2%80%99s-igni... [1 cached] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qahkOwf... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V6vNEDMzgw#t=3m5s
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on “A Difficult Situation”From the FAQ If you turn it on, you'll see all the submissions and comments that have been killed by the editors. They're mostly spam and duplicates. Along with unverified information [Facebook/Twitter are not legitimate sources this early on] I am not surprised at all that these stories were 'deleted'. I come to Hacker News for the reason that pg and the mods built and maintain it. Your speak of censorship is sensa…
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on “Official comment from HN on dead threads”You can read her own blog post, that she wrote immediately after the incident, but before all the media hullabaloo started up: http://butyoureagirl.com/2013/03/18/forking-and-dongle-jokes... Who's interpretation fits better? The "I was literally threatened with death" version or the "I was anxious because I was confronting people who were behaving boorishly"? At best you can claim that 2 years after the fact she sud…
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on “When Nerds Collide (2014)”We don't really need to speculate why she did it. She details it quite articulately on her blog http://butyoureagirl.com/2013/03/18/forking-and-dongle-jokes... <lots of context snipped> > I decided to do things differently this time and didn’t say anything to them directly. I was a guest in the Python community and as such, I wanted to give PyCon the opportunity to address this. <more context snipped> So if "persona…
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on “Why didn't you back me up?”Yeah, this is passive aggressive stuff. The guy said you even smiled at him as you took the picture. I actually read more of Adria's site and I read http://butyoureagirl.com/13871/success-against-the-odds-fill... . "Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something…
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on “Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out”Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launc…
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on “Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out”Here's context: The guy behind me to the far left was saying he didn't find much value from the logging session that day. I agreed with him, turned around and said so. He then went onto say that an earlier session he'd been to where the speaker was talking about images and visualization with Python was really good, even if it seemed to him the speaker wasn't really an expert on images. He said he would be interested…
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on “Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out”The quote from Adria Richards is breathtaking [1]: "The guy he had on stage at TechCrunch Disrupt NYC, he’s known for several years…and he basically called him a clown. Clarence Wooten sold his company, ImageCafe, for $23 million to Network Solutions in 1999, that’s over 10 years before Arrington sold TechCrunch to AOL for the same amount. I’ve now likened it to Southern White male slave owner saying he has no idea…
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on “Michael Arrington on Racism: The Game”It seems that Adria's personal blog is having similar problems.. http://butyoureagirl.com/
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on “Sendgrid is down”She references that she was twice a victim of domestic violence in this post: http://butyoureagirl.com/13871/success-against-the-odds-fill... Obviously a horrible thing to go through, perhaps it has colored her perceptions somewhat? I do agree that the reaction greatly outweighed the incident.
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on “Forking and Dongle Jokes Don't Belong At Tech Conferences”> How could I possibly find a quote that doesn't exist? In any other circumstance, that might be OK. In this case though, she has written just ONE blog post about this incident. Obviously it makes sense to start there. She has given many interviews too about it, and commented on other websites. You could have left that for later. Source http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... : <blockquote> W…
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on “What ever happened to Adria Richards?”http://butyoureagirl.com/2009/01/28/did-norm-coleman-fake-hi... Apparently the 'crash' left rather a lot of data sitting out in the open.
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on “Senator Coleman fakes website crash”
