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Fireproof cloudless database for realtime apps
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Fireproof cloudless database for realtime apps is the company blog at fireproof.storage, writing about programming and data. Since 2023, 6 different Hacker News readers have linked it 15 times, most often “Show HN: Fireproof – local-first database with Git-like encrypted sync”. No feed was found, so read it on the site itself.
Too few sampled comments (3) to say how often HN recommends it.?
Why HN links it
HN readers link this site for Fireproof, an open-source, cloudless database for realtime apps, and its posts on syncing and collaboration. Comments mostly share link lists of similar local-first tools.
Summarised by Claude from a sample of 3 HN comments that link here. Each comment is marked recommending, critical or neutral (citing without judging); how this works.
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Most-linked posts?
- Show HN: Fireproof – local-first database with Git-like encrypted sync4 people · 5 mentions · first linked 2023-12-01
- /posts/remote-access-crdt-wrapped-multi-writer-enabled-immutable-file-format/2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2024-01-09
What Hacker News says?
in case anyone finds this useful, here's the slowly growing collection of links to similar tools: https://tinybase.org/ https://www.evolu.dev/ https://replicache.dev/ https://fireproof.storage/ https://vlcn.io/ https://www.instantdb.com/ https://loro.dev/ https://electric-sql.com/ https://docs.y-sweet.dev/ https://syncedstore.org/docs/ https://collabs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://remotestorage.io/ https://rxdb.…
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on “Stop syncing everything”Submitted Show HN: Fireproof – local-first database with Git-like encrypted sync as a story · 99 points
HN discussionYour holy grail is probably Fireproof: https://fireproof.storage/ Open source, uses object storage without a web server dependency, syncs, and has great DX.
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on “Why haven't local-first apps become popular?”Submitted Building a Local-First AI Agent in Minutes Using Model Context Protocol as a story · 5 points
HN discussionIf you like the idea of the Dolt prolly trees[1], I'm building a database[2] that uses them for indexing, (eventually) allowing for shared index updates across actors. Our core uses open-source JavaScript[3], but there are a few other implementations including RhizomeDB in Rust[4]. I'm excited about the research in this area. [1] https://docs.dolthub.com/architecture/storage-engine/prolly-... [2] https://fireproof.s…
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on “A MySQL compatible database engine written in pure Go”Fireproof uses a 2-layer CRDT (the inner CRDT is encrypted). We also use prolly-trees for indexing. You can read more about the storage engine here: https://fireproof.storage/posts/remote-access-crdt-wrapped-m... Edit to add: we extracted the outer blockstore so anyone doing immutable data or ipfs can take advantage of our sync connectors. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@fireproof/encrypted-blockstor...
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on “CRDTs Turned Inside Out”I feel like we’re on the verge of seeing the start of a whole new wave of local-first apps (and "personal software" as mentioned here https://x.com/rauchg/status/1840293374059839726 ), but we’re really missing Rails-like frameworks that offer a complete package for development. Something that gives you all the tools you need—from syncing, conflict resolution, state management, authorization, background jobs in the c…
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on “A Local-First Case Study”If you want to read about another implementation using Merkle CRDTs for practical local-first document database storage, I've been building a new database for about a year. I plan to share more but it's definitely an example of a Merkle CRDT, inspired by a lot of the same research in the Dolt paper. Architecture - https://use-fireproof.com/docs/architecture CRDT file format - https://fireproof.storage/posts/remote-a…
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on “Trade-offs between Different CRDTs”I describe this idea of an executable feature spec in my roadmap blog post from earlier this year. I agree it’s a great way to think about it. https://fireproof.storage/posts/roadmap-to-1.0/ We’d define 1.0 in exactly the way you describe, where we can add tests for 1.1 but not remove them without triggering 2.0
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on “EffVer: Version your code by the effort required to upgrade”In the same way SQL encourages you to normalize your data for DRY representation, NoSQL encourages you to denormalize for fast retreival. I wrote about this more than a decade ago, and the basics haven't changed: https://web.archive.org/web/20160312130429/http://blog.couch... [Note] I'm a cofounder of Couchbase, my new project is a realtime embedded JavaScript database with local-first sync: https://fireproof.storage
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on “SQL co-creator embraces NoSQL”Here's some behind the scenes about the making of the app and the maker himself! https://fireproof.storage/posts/realtime-collaboration-in-th...
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on “Bloopernet-FP: A serverless multiplayer drum machine for phones”Creator of Couchbase Mobile here — I’m doing a new web-based thing[1] with a similar reactive API. I’m hoping that my encrypted block replication makes it more of a “data anywhere” solution than a “local first” database. But the paradigm of powerful databases in the browser is definitely one I’m glad to see becoming popular. [1] https://fireproof.storage/
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on “SQLSync – Stop Building Databases”My database technology startup, Fireproof, recently hung out a shingle for custom app development, primarily as an adoption tactic. If we really do have the most productive tools for front-end devs to build data-driven apps, we should showcase them by writing code for real-world customers. Over time we expect services revenue to be a smaller slice of the pie, but if we can make creating the first round of social pro…
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on “Ask HN: PG's 'Do Things That Don't Scale' Manual Examples”I think I agree with the analysis. It's why aspects like data verifiability are potentially more important than fancy peer-to-peer routing and transfer protocols. Once you have Merkle proofs of data, it's just as powerful whether it is on the client or server. Cryptographic verifiability make data locality into an optimization problem not a trust problem: https://fireproof.storage/documentation/how-the-database-eng.…
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on “Offline Is Just Online with Extreme Latency”If you are excited about these data structures you might be interested in my new database engine using prolly trees and designed to be used by React developers. Blog: https://fireproof.storage/posts/from-mlops-to-point-of-sale:... React hook: https://use-fireproof.com
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on “Merklizing the key/value store for fun and profit”