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Peter Thomas
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Peter Thomas writes Incremental Operations, a personal blog at ptrthomas.wordpress.com about programming and web. Since 2008, 11 different Hacker News readers have linked it 12 times, most often “Java call stack – from HTTP upto JDBC as a picture (2006)”. The last post was in 2017, but the archive is still widely read.
Too few sampled comments (7) to say how often HN recommends it.?
Why HN links it
HN commenters link this blog's 2006 post, which shows a screenshot of a small Java web app's call stack, to illustrate framework complexity and deep abstraction layers. No comment judges the writing itself.
Summarised by Claude from a sample of 7 HN comments that link here. Each comment is marked recommending, critical or neutral (citing without judging); how this works.
Peter Thomas
Most-linked posts?
- Java call stack – from HTTP upto JDBC as a picture (2006)8 people · 9 mentions · first linked 2015-03-14
- A long road: J2EE web app request, from web server to database call2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2010-07-22
What Hacker News says?
Good luck on improving the situation as long as you have people running around who consider this all fine and normal. https://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-f...
Comment linking /2006/06/06/java-call-stack-from-http-upto-jdbc-as-a-picture/
on “24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse”Submitted Java call stack – from HTTP upto JDBC as a picture (2006) as a story · 124 points
HN discussionMaybe the introductory text primed me to expect much worse, but I actually found the code quite readable although definitely underabstracted. I was expecting the opposite, the sort of code I usually see from beginning Java programmers: classes and methods everywhere, but almost no real work. A long time ago, I (briefly) worked with Enterprise Java. The things I saw were far worse than this. 100+ deep callstacks[1].…
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on “TerrariaClone – An incomprehensible hellscape of spaghetti code”Submitted (2006) Java call stack – from HTTP up to JDBC as a picture as a story · 2 points
HN discussionOTOH a lot of the abstractions are created because problems aren't solved coherently but rather partitioned into organizational structures adding incidental complexity. The worst are <noun>-services that seem to always do too much/too little or have interface designs that suit itself than needs of clients/consumers. I spend a fair amount of time decomplexifying the org out of architectures when we realize that perfo…
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on “A Note on Essential Complexity”Submitted Java call stack – from HTTP upto JDBC as a picture as a story · 2 points
HN discussionI was suddenly reminded of this blog post from 2006, a screenshot of the stack of a small web app: http://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-fr...
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on “Why I hate frameworks (2005)”Submitted A long road: J2EE web app request, from web server to database call as a story · 1 points
HN discussionI refrained from replying as different folks have different experiences and views. I'll just leave this picture[0] of what I consider not optimized . Most of my beef is with JPA/JPQL/but-most-of-all-Hiberhate-- it's a 2000's solution for a 1990's problem . [0] https://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-f...
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on “Spring-rs is a microservice framework in Rust inspired by Java's spring-boot”Submitted Wicket and GWT compared with code as a story · 1 points
HN discussionSee the original: https://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-f...
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on “Friends don't let friends do Java”Would you look at that beast! The bigger PDF image is on the post: https://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/java-call-stack-f...
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on “Why I Hate Frameworks (2005)”
