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wanderingbarque.com is a personal blog at wanderingbarque.com about programming and web. Since 2007, 13 different Hacker News readers have linked it 15 times, most often “The S stands for Simple”. No feed was found, so read it on the site itself.
Too few sampled comments (8) to say how often HN recommends it.?
Why HN links it
HN readers link the 2006 essay 'The S stands for Simple', a critique of how SOAP and similar technologies get hyped, overpromised and made unusably complicated. Commenters cite it as a classic on over-selling technology.
Summarised by Claude from a sample of 8 HN comments that link here. Each comment is marked recommending, critical or neutral (citing without judging); how this works.
Most-linked posts?
- The S stands for Simple10 people · 11 mentions · first linked 2008-05-17
What Hacker News says?
Related: The S stands for Simple, http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-... and Please drop the SOAP, http://thecoffman.com/2011/01/25/please-drop-the-soap .
Comment linking /nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-stands-for-simple
on “Stop SOAP”Submitted The S stands for Simple as a story · 6 points
HN discussionIndeed it does: http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-...
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on “An employee, whose last name is Null, kills our employee lookup app”Submitted Grokking Idiomatic Dynamic Ruby as a story · 4 points
HN discussionThe original article is here: http://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-... I am glad to see it get more attention. It is a classic and it is really about more than SOAP. It is about the way technologies get hyped and over-sold and over-promised, and then made unusably complicated. SOAP is just the example.
Comment linking /nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-stands-for-simple/
on “SOAP: The 'S' stands for simple (not really)”Submitted They can`t hear you as a story · 3 points
HN discussion"threw up in my mouth a little." "Gee, let me get this straight." "Bullshit." "Seriously?" I have to say that one of my regrets about growing up in programmer circles is seeing stuff like this held up as an acceptable example of how adults communicate with other adults. It took me a long time to realize that this style of communication is not necessary, is not effective, and reflects poorly on the speaker. C'mon, th…
Comment linking /nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-stands-for-simple/
on “NoSQL is What?”Submitted The S stands for Simple (2006) as a story · 2 points
HN discussionOne of the things in life I really regret is suggesting SOAP on a project. I thought it was just a packaged, somewhat elaborated version of a semi-reasonable XML-RPC type thing --- and worse, that the idea that it was standardized meant that you could count on some kind of half-decent interoperability. It was initially sold that way, but that was just the first of a parade of sales pitches, hilariously chronicled he…
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on “Please drop the SOAP”Submitted The S stands for Simple as a story · 2 points
HN discussionLook, I'm not a REST cheerleader by any stretch of the imagination but in REST terms the OP just doesn't know his ass from his elbow here. Consider: > POST /orders/42/pay > POST /orders/42/ship You don't put verbs in your URLs. This is really REST 101. I highly recommend Nobody understands REST or HTTP [1]. The above is exactly why you don't put verbs in URLs. Consider instead: POST /payment { orderId=42, etc } POST…
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on “RESTful thinking considered harmful”Submitted The "S" Stands for "Simple" as a story · 1 points
HN discussionI think a lot of it comes down to SOAP, and related standards, being ambiguous and changing enough over time that even if you follow the standards, it isn't necessarily clear what you can and should do. Take a look at WS-I, the standard which tells you just how you should implement all of the standards that came before it, if you actually want to talk to other implementations: http://ws-i.org/profiles/BasicProfile-1…
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on “REST in peace, SOAP”Submitted Resource-Oriented Architecture Maturity Model as a story · 1 points
HN discussionhttp://wanderingbarque.com/nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-...
Comment linking /nonintersecting/2006/11/15/the-s-stands-for-simple/
on “Ask YC: How big of a failure is SOAP?”
