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Ekioh
Company blog · ekioh.com/devblogsystemsweb
Ekioh is the company blog at ekioh.com, writing about systems and web. Since 2019, 35 different Hacker News readers have linked it 44 times, most often “Flow Browser: Flow makes HTML faster”. The last post was in 2021, but the archive is still widely read.
Too few sampled comments (25) to say how often HN recommends it.?
Why HN links it
HN readers link Ekioh's devblog and Flow browser pages as examples of an independent, non-Blink, non-Gecko, non-WebKit browser engine. Posts cover passing Acid tests, rendering Gmail and Google Docs, and rendering techniques.
Summarised by Claude from a sample of 25 HN comments that link here. Each comment is marked recommending, critical or neutral (citing without judging); how this works.
Ekioh is a specialist in the design and development of embedded browser software for consumer products and resource-constrained platforms.
Most-linked posts?
- Flow Browser: Flow makes HTML faster19 people · 19 mentions · first linked 2019-11-28
- Google Docs in a clean-room browser4 people · 4 mentions · first linked 2021-09-17
- /devblog/acid/2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2020-08-11
- Flow Browser Preview on the Raspberry Pi 4002 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2020-12-29
- Full Google Mail in a clean room browser2 people · 2 mentions · first linked 2019-11-28
What Hacker News says?
I haven't used it, but it seems that Flow[0] is also a plausible modern alternative browser which passes the Acid tests[1], unless you disqualify it for being closed source and borrowing its JS engine from Firefox. [0] https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/ [1] https://www.ekioh.com/devblog/acid/
Comment linking /devblog/acid/
on “Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project”Submitted Flow browser passes the Acid tests as a story · 525 points
HN discussionWebKit is a bad example, considering the KHTML history alone. These things don't just take devpower, but time - consider, for example, this: http://www.ekioh.com/flow They've managed to actually get GMail to render - a not insignificant task: https://www.ekioh.com/devblog/full-google-mail-in-a-clean-ro... The timeline on this page alone is in years: https://www.ekioh.com/company/#team From what I understand, that te…
Comment linking /company/
on “Mozilla lays off 70”Submitted Google Docs in a clean-room browser as a story · 414 points
HN discussion> Why is a browser expensive? Read this: https://drewdevault.com/2020/03/18/Reckless-limitless-scope.... To quote, --- start quote --- The total word count of the W3C specification catalogue is 114 million words at the time of writing. If you added the combined word counts of the C11, C++17, UEFI, USB 3.2, and POSIX specifications, all 8,754 published RFCs, and the combined word counts of everything on Wikipedia’s l…
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions”Submitted Flow Browser: Flow makes HTML faster as a story · 216 points
HN discussionAre you talking about https://flow-browser.com ? I wasn't aware of this project before, but it appears to a new chromium based browser. The Flow people are talking about when they talk about Ladybird and Servo is https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/ which does have it's own engine. It has a similar level of standards compliance to Servo and Ladybird, although it's not open source which puts it in a somewhat different…
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo”Submitted Flow Browser Preview on the Raspberry Pi 400 as a story · 160 points
HN discussionFlow is attempting to do just that. https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “HTML and CSS techniques to reduce your JavaScript”Submitted Flow Browser – A parallel, multithreaded HTML browser as a story · 123 points
HN discussionNo downloadable builds? The desktop builds doesn't seem to be available for general public. https://www.ekioh.com/support/
Comment linking /support/
on “Flow browser passes the Acid tests”Submitted Google Docs in a clean-room browser as a story · 10 points
HN discussionIt also supports full Google Mail [1]. While I don’t think it will ever be competitive to Chrome or Firefox, it’s super cool to see it’s actually possible to start a new web browser project and get it to this point. [1] https://www.ekioh.com/devblog/full-google-mail-in-a-clean-ro...
Comment linking /devblog/full-google-mail-in-a-clean-room-browser/
on “Flow browser passes the Acid tests”Submitted Flow Browser Preview for All Raspberry Pi Computers as a story · 6 points
HN discussionOn the other side of the spectrum: https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “Mighty Makes Google Chrome Faster”Submitted Google Docs in a clean-room browser – Ekioh as a story · 4 points
HN discussionThere are bunch of use cases listed here: https://www.ekioh.com/solutions/
Comment linking /solutions/
on “Google Docs in a clean-room browser”Submitted Ekioh is making a new browser designed for parallel processing as a story · 2 points
HN discussionhttps://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “Show HN: Nyxt Browser 2.0.0”Submitted Flow Browser Preview on the Raspberry Pi 400 as a story · 2 points
HN discussionAnother data point: Flow's[1] executable is ~20MB on Raspberry Pi (under 26MB for a 64bit build; both are smaller than the ICU data bundled with public releases). WebGL, video playback and Javascript JIT are included. Disclosure: I work at Ekioh. [1] https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “Cobalt – a stripped down Chromium for apps, Linux and embedded systems”Submitted Full Google Mail in a clean room browser as a story · 2 points
HN discussionI was inspired to write it by reading about Ladybird, so I wrote it for Andreas Kling basically :-). But there is also Flow: https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/ and Servo. Maybe in the future someone else will try. Also I think it's fun to think about these things even if you're not building a browser engine. It only took about 90 minutes to write.
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “So you want to build a browser engine”Submitted Flow Browser – The parallel, multithreaded HTML browser as a story · 1 points
HN discussionFlow is another example I've seen. https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “So you want to build a browser engine”If you haven't encountered this browser before, I find it fascinating. It's meant for devices that aren't necessarily computers. For example, someone making a digital "sign" can use HTML and CSS, or dynamic HTML motion graphics, to create their content, and run it in Flow. It doesn't have to be able to run, say, Google Docs. However, the developer wrote a blog post about getting Google Docs to run, by fixing the nec…
Comment linking /devblog/google-docs-in-a-clean-room-browser/
on “Flow Browser: Flow makes HTML faster”There are a few others but all with their own caveats - https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/ is fully independent and can run Gmail, but it's commercial / non-FOSS. It's funded by contracts in the set-top-box industry. https://sciter.com/ is non-FOSS with a free edition but you shouldn't run untrusted javascript on it And there are some lightly-maintained forks of the leaked Presto 12.x engine from before Opera becam…
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “NetSurf, a multi-platform web browser”> It does not even pass the ACID2 test. It is however the best independently developed browser engine out there Flow browser passes ACID3 [1], closed source but independent (afaik, dont't really know much about it) Previous HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23508979 [1] https://www.ekioh.com/devblog/acid/
Comment linking /devblog/acid/
on “NetSurf, a multi-platform web browser”This one is probably the closest you can get outside of mainstream web rendering engine choices: https://www.ekioh.com (it does borrow a javascript library though, so not completely from scratch)
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on “My next main browser: a review of Orion”Ekioh "accidently" built a new browser engine. It is a commercial product, but has whole new engine: https://www.ekioh.com/flow-browser/
Comment linking /flow-browser/
on “How Vivaldi browser is different from Google Chrome”
